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  My Final Goodbye

  by Lady Lee in

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  2. announcements

  i want to start by saying i will not participate in discussion here about my resignation as a moderator at jwn.. simon please consider this as my resignation from that position.. i have been posting on this board for almost 12 years.

  i know some of you a lot, others a little and some not very well at all.

  i have remained here for those of you who have needed support as you make the transition out of the wts, who needed someone to listen to your experiences of abuse at the hands of jehovah's witnesses, and to both laugh and cry with you as you progress out of the watchtower society.. we know that we have all experienced the cruelty of abuse of one kind or another.

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  Nathan Natas

  So why do you keep talking about it, wha happened?
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  My Final Goodbye

  by Lady Lee in

  1. forum
  2. announcements

  i want to start by saying i will not participate in discussion here about my resignation as a moderator at jwn.. simon please consider this as my resignation from that position.. i have been posting on this board for almost 12 years.

  i know some of you a lot, others a little and some not very well at all.

  i have remained here for those of you who have needed support as you make the transition out of the wts, who needed someone to listen to your experiences of abuse at the hands of jehovah's witnesses, and to both laugh and cry with you as you progress out of the watchtower society.. we know that we have all experienced the cruelty of abuse of one kind or another.

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  Nathan Natas

  Steve2 brought up some interesting points which moved me to take another look at Lee's message. This is what I saw:

  "...To those of you who have sat silently and watched and read over the last few weeks I hope you can look into your conscience and say you did the right thing..."

  ...I will not participate in discussion here about my resignation as a moderator at JWN...

  ...To [remain silent] would make us complicit in the abuse. Abusers want one thing from people and one thing only - our silence. To them our silence means they are right or they have scared you so much that you are afraid of them...

  ...When issues arise, rather than take a stand we can in effect say, “I’ll just sit this one out; others may be affected—even hurt—but I am not...

  ...I can no longer remain silent...

  ...Some of you have wondered about my silence regarding AAWA...

  ...I will not further address this issue here...

  Lee seems confused.

  Her silence is good, but she will not remain silent because that would be wrong, and there will be no more discussion of the issue.
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  My Final Goodbye

  by Lady Lee in

  1. forum
  2. announcements

  i want to start by saying i will not participate in discussion here about my resignation as a moderator at jwn.. simon please consider this as my resignation from that position.. i have been posting on this board for almost 12 years.

  i know some of you a lot, others a little and some not very well at all.

  i have remained here for those of you who have needed support as you make the transition out of the wts, who needed someone to listen to your experiences of abuse at the hands of jehovah's witnesses, and to both laugh and cry with you as you progress out of the watchtower society.. we know that we have all experienced the cruelty of abuse of one kind or another.

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  Nathan Natas

  I am NOT among the great crowd of wounded victims to whom Lady Lee has been such a comfort, so I feel no overwhelming debt of gratitude that I dare not ask, "Have you taken leave of your senses?"

  ANYONE can be deceived, can't they?

  I will wonder rhetorically what CEDARS offered you, what secret promises were made. What could he offer you that you did not already have, unless you were looking for a parasite who will use your skills to enhance HIMSELF.

  I am confident that in time his parasitic deception and his failures will be clear to you.

  When that happens, remember that you are always welcome here.
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  HOT OFF THE PRESS: ZO talk in Japan

  by WinstonSmith in

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  2. beliefs

  this is literally hot off the press as in from about half an hour ago.. we have a friend from nz (who is wavering and knows our situation) and he is on holiday in japan at the moment.

  today there was a zone overseer talk that he went to in nagoya (southern japan) and it has just finished up.

  straight after the song and still in the stadium he emailed us the info below.

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  Nathan Natas

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=gEmJ-VWPDM4

  ...seems I've forgotten how to post YouTubes!
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  preaching work?

  by Crazyguy in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  we as jw's have always been told by the gb that the preaching work is paramount, they imply that if your not preaching that your not going to make it to the kingdom.

  so what scriptures do they use for this idea?

  the only one i can think of is the one in matt.

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  Nathan Natas

  But wait!

  The WTB&TS makes it clear that the scriptures are a love note from Jehovah to THE ANOINTED. They can't have it both ways.

  The"preaching work" is REQUIRED of the anointed, not of the hoi-polloi. They can tell you it is a "blessing" for mere mortals to "share" in the work, but NONE of us are required to do so.

  So take the weekend OFF! Tell 'em that MAYBE they'll see you next week... or not!

  IT...IS...NOT...>>YOUR<<...PROBLEM!!!

  I was in my mid-20s when this really sunk in, and I can recall the scene like a photograph today, some 40 years later. It was near the beginning of my fade, and the crack in my JW eggshell let a whole lot of light come in. In that moment I changed. I was off the hook and FREE.
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  HOT OFF THE PRESS: ZO talk in Japan

  by WinstonSmith in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  this is literally hot off the press as in from about half an hour ago.. we have a friend from nz (who is wavering and knows our situation) and he is on holiday in japan at the moment.

  today there was a zone overseer talk that he went to in nagoya (southern japan) and it has just finished up.

  straight after the song and still in the stadium he emailed us the info below.

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  Nathan Natas

  Shouldn't truth-seekers of every nation and tongue desire to be WHITE like the GB?

  ..and don't trouble me with Sam Herd; he's lighter now than he was last year.
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  My dad got appointed a ministerial servant last week.

  by Joliette in

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  i dont know if i should tell him congrats the next time i see him...got a lot of emotions going through me right now..

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  Nathan Natas

  Napoleon is said to have declared that " A soldier will fight long and hard for a bit of colored ribbon".

  The WTB&TS has found that they can save the price of a ribbon.
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  Do Jehovah Witnesses accept 'audio' or 'video' as a 'second witness' in child sex abuse allegations?

  by Sol Reform in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  it's been reported that," horace mann (an independent college preparatory school in new york city) wouldn't consider a case for which the student had no "video or audio" evidence.".

  http://www.hmactioncoalition.org/pages/blog/6/72/hmac-.

  horace mann action coalition response to bronx district attorney investigation into sexual abuse at the horace mann school.

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  Nathan Natas

  Israelites didn't have audio or video technology, which of course Jehovah would have provided them had it been his will.

  (Since the only scriptural reference to audio and video were occasions were Jehovah's loyal servants were put to the sword [Klystronians 14:5, Gallium 31:69-71] we take this as an indication of Jehovah's disapproval of such technologies. Let us not run ahead of Jehovah's paper-airplane-like organization though; Betamax may be resurrected in Paradise to be evaluated again for a millennium before being cast into the Lake Of Fire.)

  What they did have were lambskin vellum scrolls and clay tablets impressed with cuneiform writing, which are still used in Judicial Hearings today.

  Selah.
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  HOT OFF THE PRESS: ZO talk in Japan

  by WinstonSmith in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  this is literally hot off the press as in from about half an hour ago.. we have a friend from nz (who is wavering and knows our situation) and he is on holiday in japan at the moment.

  today there was a zone overseer talk that he went to in nagoya (southern japan) and it has just finished up.

  straight after the song and still in the stadium he emailed us the info below.

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  Nathan Natas

  Wait a minute... imagine for a moment that some Japanese family HAD accepted the message of the WTB&TS ten years ago: look at all the "old light" they would have to unlearn just to keep up with the ever-changing menu on Jehovah's bounteous smorgasbord of fugu sashimi.

  The Japanese are inscrutably efficient. The longer they put off having anything to do with the Watchtower, the fewer false teachings they will need to unlearn a week from now.

  ...and I think a LOT of Japanese are waiting eagerly for the Watchtower to promise them thhat in Paradise they will become WHITE.
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  Why are there 8 Governing Body/FDS members?!

  by DATA-DOG in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  this is pure speculation.

  just one of those things that make you go, " hmmmmm??!!

  8th member of the gb is appointed just in time for the nu-light?!.

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  Nathan Natas

  If they were ordinary men, the eight of them would be carring sixteen testicles, so, yeah eight testicles for Doctor OctoPope sounds 'bout right.